Christian Piccolini wants you to know he didn't come from a broken home.
Nonetheless, he describes himself as a lonely 14 year old when a man approached him in an alley and his life changed.
Within two years, Piccolini was a leader of a white nationalist group, where he stayed until he was 22.
Piccolini made a stop in Duluth last week before he headed to Denver to take part in a TED conference.
But he took some time to talk to us about what's different - and the same - about hate groups and the only thing he knows that will stop them.